Montreal Canadiens
Montreal Canadiens Trade Talk: Kirby Dach’s Name Surfaces
In his latest 32 Thoughts podcast, Hockey insider Elliotte Friedman briefly discussed the possibility that Montreal Canadiens forward Kirby Dach would interest a team such as the Pittsburgh Penguins.
The basis of the discussion was that Kyle Dubas, the Penguins’ general manager, is likely looking for players around the league that could benefit from a fresh start in a new market, similar to the strategy used by Kent Hughes when he originally acquired Dach.
Now, before anyone gets mad, or starts tagging Friedman on social media with fiery responses, we have to acknowledge that Friedman was simply discussing the possibility of a trade. He did not give the impression that anything was imminent.
But given that Dach has had a very slow start to the season, there is some logic behind the idea, and just as we did when evaluating a potential trade involving veteran defenceman Mike Matheson, there’s no harm in discussing the idea.
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Dach has scored just one goal and seven assists in 22 games, and is on pace for 30 points, which is a clear regression in his overall production. To make matters more difficult, his fantastic underlying numbers have collapsed faster than a paper house floating on the Amazon River.
He went from a player who made a significant and important impact during every shift, to a player who is an anchor on his teammates’ results. His skill in transition is yet to surface, and it’s quite clear he’s making poor decisions, an issue that goes beyond rust.
“Watching Kirby Dach in Montreal,” explained Friedman, “It was just last week that he was up to 19 minutes per game, twice in a row. Since then, he’s been back down, 15 and a half, 16 and a half minutes. And the last two games, including Wednesday, under 15 minutes.
“Obviously, Montreal has a lot of young players, with more to come. But I’m sitting here wondering who else could Pittsburgh target? I’m not saying they’re talking to Montreal or anything like that, but I’m just saying, if you’re looking for guys that Kyle Dubas could look at and say “This is another one worth taking a shot at. What would he learn with the likes of Malkin and Crosby?”, I can’t help but wonder about Kirby Dach being that kind of guy.”
Kyle Bukauskas, one of the nicest people you’ll meet in the hockey landscape, was quick to point out the Canadiens are far from the stage where they’d consider moving Dach.
“I’m hesitant for a team like Montreal,” said Bukauskas. “To give up on a young player this early. That’s certainly not Jeff Gorton or Kent Hughes’ modus operandi.”
I will never fault Friedman for discussing any manner of hockey topic. He’s the most popular insider in the league, and he is bound to make endless radio appearances, TV hits, and podcast. It comes with the territory.
He discusses all 32 teams, which means his time is limited, and thus, it’s impossible for him to have a perfect picture of what’s going on in every organization. He does a very good job in that regard, mind you, but perfection is not realistic.
That being said, Bukauskas immediately identified the main issue with the framework of this deal. The Canadiens have absolutely no intentions of moving on from Dach, as his current value on the NHL’s trade market is probably at an all-time low when we consider his injury history.
Therefore, you’d have to expect a limited return, unlike what the Habs paid to acquire Dach in the first place. Alexander Romanov was the player who originally fetched the pick that was then sent to the Chicago Blackhawks, and that’s a pretty good price, even if we include the third-round pick the Habs packaged with Romanov to get the deal done with the New York Islanders.
But the fact remains the Canadiens used the 13th overall pick to acquire Dach, not to mention an early third-round pick as well.
The Blackhawks used that pick to select Frank Nazar, a highly-skilled centre who had great numbers in the NCAA, and is currently setting the AHL on fire during his rookie season. Now, it’s only fair to say the Habs wouldn’t have necessarily picked the same guy, or that they wouldn’t have made the Romanov trade in the first place if Dach wasn’t in play, however, the reality is the Habs moved two good assets to acquire Dach.
We often discuss the importance of asset management in the NHL, and though it’s not always possible maximize value, as Bukauskas mentioned, this is absolutely not the M.O. the team’s management group has used since taking over from the previous regime. They will remain patient in Dach’s case.
Of course, if the Penguins offer a fantastic return, any player should be available, but it’s also important to remember their talented prospects are few and far between. They do own their first-round pick in 2025, and it’s projecting as a fairly decent pick, as the Penguins are currently 28th in the league, just one point up on the Habs.
A good pick could end up enticing Hughes and Co., but at this point in the rebuild, a player who is still 3–4 years away from making a positive impact does very little good to bolster the current lineup. Unless there’s another Ivan Demidov in play, it’s unlikely the Canadiens would want to explore a trade with the Penguins involving Kirby Dach.
I’d argue there IS some harm in discussing the matter. What starts out as a “discussion” on one outlet, becomes “strong rumours swirling” on another outlet, which becomes “fact” an another outlet as they all try to one-up each other for clicks. None of it can be good for Dach’s psyche right now, which is probably pretty fragile. The last thing he needs is to worry that he could be on the move.
As much as I do think mental health is a very important part of maintaining an athlete’s strong play (and their every day life), trade discussions come with the territory, there’s no avoiding it. Such is life as a professional athlete.
I feel like it’s better to address the issue and shoot it down than to just ignore it and hope it goes away, but I could be wrong.
I agree. I was going to add the “comes with the territory” statement to my comment too, but chose not to in the end. I didn’t really want to give any support to the idea, but I like your “address it and shoot it down” approach. Unfortunately, the copycats at other Habs websites that just take your articles and then “amp them up” with their take is probably going to do exactly what I was worried about. Damned if you do, and damned if you don’t, I guess. 🤷🏻♂️
See a couple of my posts got censored. Know anything about that Marc?
I was going to respond saying “I delete maybe 1 post per month, at most, shouldn’t be an issue.”
But I just checked the spam folder, and a bunch of solid posts got tagged as spam, including two of yours. I’ll make sure to reinstate them now. That’s definitely not my MO.
As long as people avoid personal insults, I’m usually happy. I have no idea how/why/when this happened, I’ll look into it. The posts aren’t even remotely close to being an issue, so I suspect someone accidentally clicked spam instead of approve.
Anyhow, I do apologize, there was nothing wrong with the posts. Should be restored now. Thanks for letting me know.
Thanks for letting me know Marc, enjoy your day!
That’s an overreaction. It definitely comes with the territory. Why not include the constant “discussions” about Savard, Matheson and Evans worth on the trade market?
Or whether or not MSL should be fired?
Either you trust Habs management not to panic or you don’t. The rest is just noise.
You have to take it all with a grain of salt, it’s journalists doing their jobs….or just don’t read anything except game reports!
By “you” do you mean me or Dach? Have you seen my other comment?
While mental health is huge in sports right now and your seeing more and more players coming forth (good on them) hockey or any sport is a business first and foremost. If a gm is unwilling to at least entertain an offer then he’s or she is not doing their jobs. As for dach and rumors floating around could damage his fragile psyche. It’s why teams have sports psychologist on hand. Your trained and taught growing up levels to seperate social media from your job. You have no control over what people write about you all you can do is control what you can do on the ice and block out the background noises.
Just do it trade him asap
It was said that Dach was the best forward on the team at the time of his injury last season. I’m not evaluating the validity of the claim, but 2 games is an incredibly tiny sample size. Even if you throw in the preseason games against many non nhl players, it’s still not what you’d use to base a reputation. His career year, in 22-23 was 38 points in 58 games so .6 ppg for a top 6 forward with a first pp assignment.
At what point do you question the assumptions? Of course there are management conversations about all players and their performances. It would be poor management to ignore the Dach situation. It would be even worse to apply exceptional tolerance because this management team brought him in. Other GMs see this as an opportunity, rumors follow.
The objective is to build a Cup contender. Not everything goes as planned. Course correction is a necessary part of the process. In my opinion, Dach is under performing his potential at an alarming rate but so are many of his teammates. I think we need a new voice behind the bench- new systems and development plans. It’s hard to get big, young and takented #3 draft picks. You need them to work out. Before I’d move him, I’d want to make sure it’s not an environmental issue. This version of the Habs is playing as poorly as any Hab team in memory despite the talent level.
Yes, the old “voice behind the bench”. Dach has gone through physical trials as a 20 something that most of us never experience in a lifetime. And then we demand the he ” produce”, or he must be a failure, so trade him, fast. But wait, Suzuki isn’t producing to his poetential. So maybe we should trade him too. And Slafkovsky only has 2 goals in 20 games. Get rid of him. Look, nearly all the young guys are under-performing. And the common thread in all of this is the “voice behind the bench”. Dach can thrive, but I don’t see him thriving under the direction of a guy who doesn’t even know when to call a time out. Sorry to be a downer, but if Molson wants to improve this team, and not just tank for another high draft choice, he has to intervene and tell Hughes that his pal behind the bench has to go, in favour of a real NHL coach.
Lol.. Ya just keep changing for the sake of impatient fans… Certainly sounds like a winning approach
As the 6th longest tenured coach in the league, closing in on 5 years, Marty has been given every opportunity to develop players, systems and culture that support the goal of winning a Cup- all without accountability and rightly so, especially early in the gig. He’s not new at it, he’s very experienced, unfortunately he’s not good at it.
Maybe we should leave him behind the bench forever to appease fans that are happy losing badly and playing well below potential. I know, that makes no sense but that’s the way some think.
If it’s all martys fault and he can’t teach players and he’s a horrible coach… and dach is such a cant miss talent like many habs fans keep saying.. then what happened in chicago whwn he was playing with some of the best players in kane and toews and he still didn’t produce. Even dating back to his whl time he never lit the league on fire. He was average his whole time there. For a player that’s 6’4 he doesn’t use his body to dominate considering before this season he has amazing underlying puck possession numbers. He’s not using his body like a true power forward his size does. Like a prime kreider did. I don’t know if his injuries are in his head and he doesn’t trust himself. Looking at that draft aside from hughes theres alot of under preforming prospects that were highly thought of. Kakko Krebs york Hartley even caufield has been just normal when you consider many thought he would be a 40 to 60 goal scorer by now.
This a Shergachev for Drouin type trade and so is the Lek trade for Barron and the Newhook deal. I’m beginning to think the Hughes is not a very shrewd horse trader
And you are right to look at his body of work and examine/ question the results. Kent Hughes wasn’t involved in the drouin deal
Kent Hughes has made some bold moves, and at the time the big ones looked mostly like significant wins. Time decides that ultimately. But like you, I form my own opinions based on what I observe and learn by asking questions. Newhook , Dach, Reinbacher, Kovacevic , Primeau and the 3 goalie issue, and other decisions do allow for some pause on thr all glowing reviews. Being too loyal to Marty as a coach will also potentially be a blight on his record. He’s proving to be human…
math is not the strong suit… hired feb 2022… not even 3 yrs yet
kappo kakko for dach
would be a great trade atm.. both players need a fresh start.
U want to trade ayoung, big center coming off a major injury… Jeez… Centers are so easy to find… Ask bergy… Dach for pld?… Us Montreal fans are sumptin special
You seem to think Kirby is a really special player? Based on the fact he’s a Center? He’s a poor Center, doesn’t support in the D zone as effectively as most pivots and has a very poor winning percentage on draws. Maybe you’re thinking his league worst -18 rating makes him an untouchable asset??
Kakko was a number 2 overall pick, Dach a third. Both young and under achieving. I don’t understand your outrage at the suggestion. But I get the sense you thought “bergy” was a sumptin special gm, jeez
Dach had a tough game today, and he cost the team at least a point with his penalty at the end of the game. MSL needs let him sit in the Press Box tomorrow against Boston and maybe just watch the game and reset. He is young and will snap out of this slide,but, it just seems like everything is going from bad to worse for him.
If the Refs miss the trip on Armia on the winning goal so be it. But Armia needs to get off his ass a lot faster because if he does, he would been able to get back and cover the wide open Kakko.
A very good effort by the Habs, and a tough loss today to swallow for the Team and Fans.
MSL was right to call out terrible officiating. They were putrid. Habs deserved better but also could have helped themselves a bit with the opportunities they did actually get, because NY stunk as bad as the refs. The Zib boy is a softie. That’s why they won’t win. Trade him.
I don’t think many teams want Dach very much right now as he looks like he can’t find his game. And it might take a while.